GC Conversations: Emani Brought Up Foreign Policy

 This is literally just a reply that more easily readable than a Facebook chat. 

    I hope.

So my general moral stance on foreign policy is that those who are fortunate should help the less fortunate (not because they may need help one day, but they would indeed want it if they were in such position), within reason.

After that, my stance is “paying what you owe”. So one part of that is if allegiances are made with the agreement that they’d help each other out in the future, you have to follow through (unless they’re asking you to do wild shit). 

A lot of times we think of that like when the US allied with other countries in world wars. Those are the more convenient ones (as the allies are generally safe. The U.S. relationship with the Kurds is more of one that I think best embodies the dynamic in what I mean. We started that partnership in 1962 (after the Kurds were betrayed by…other people…I almost explained all that for no reason). But we’ve left the Kurds before, especially in ’75. We mended it until Trump (Turkey/Syria). 

Another situation I believe you gotta pay what you owe is a reparative situation. If you destabilize a country, you fucked them over, and you should help stabilize. The UN would be the people to hold us accountable if they weren’t scared of us.

Very long way of saying that we should keep our covenants. Those are basically my stances. 

Now, I don’t think it’s resulted in more bad than good when we’d tried to help out other people for “goodness sake” as I don’t know when we’ve done that. So I think our disagreement is less about whether it’s worked out vs whether we did those things in the first place. Because all of those times we’ve interfered were for our own gain, our tactics matched that intention. 

Even most recently. We didn’t go in for charitable reasons, nor did we stay for that. Granted, we stayed for longer for various reasons, but very much for generals lying about the improvements of the Afghan forces, so we could stay. We did need to leave. Not JUST because it’s been 20 years. However since the humanitarian aspect wasn’t 1st or 2nd, the exit was fumbled badly.

& Biden was being a HOE about it in his speech. Basically did the “the buck stops with me” to try to seem like he was so mature to take all the responsibility, while in his explanation for why it went wrong, he only blamed the Afghan gov and the people. Saying the reason they could get some people out is because some people wanted to stay in hopes of their country getting better.

& I’m like BRUV. Yes, maybe a handful of people I can only assume, but they had 10s of thousands of requests to leave for months/years.

Anyway, I know this was mad long, but fuck it. I typed it on my computer so *young shrug*.

But yeah, with: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. were always for the US’s interests.